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Poster: adks12020 Date: Nov 5, 2012 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

Ok. I usually come to this forum to get away from politics but since it's being discussed here goes:

1. Romney's business acumen in no way makes him qualified for the Presidency. His business experience shows he can make money; it doesn't show he can do that for the benefit of the majority which is the job of the president. Also, I believe (and could be wrong) that Hoover and G.W. Bush were the only other Presidents that were businessmen before they ran for president...enough said.

2. The economy isn't great; I have no argument with that. However, it is gradually growing and at a faster rate than the majority of Europe. Also, China's growth is slowing significantly. I'll take where we are going now over the slash and burn tactics of the right any day. Austerity is not working well anywhere in Europe and it won't here. Neither will cutting taxes just for the sake of placating people while at the same time increasing the military budget which is already more expensive than the next 15 countries in the world combined.

3. Various news organizations have pointed out in recent weeks that the vast majority of the world want Obama to win; this includes most countries in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East (minus Isreal..which I couldn't give to shits about at this point). They favor the stability and pragmatism Obama brings as opposed to the unknown with Romney. Maintaining the confidence of the rest of the world is extremely important to world security and the world economy seeing as we are still the only superpower in the world.

4. Romney doesn't have the balls to stand up to the far right in his party which will give them a lot of influence. That scares the crap out of me.

5. Whomever gets elected will likely nominate at least one, maybe two, supreme court judges. Romney has vowed to overturn Roe v. Wade. Also scary if he is appointing judges.

6. I'm sick and tired of the people talking about our rights being trampled on telling people how to live their lives and wish they would stop that shit. Electing Romney won't help that.

I'm no fan of some of the things that Obama has done. As Mando said he signed the National Defense Authorization Act..not cool. He also made some very questionable decisions regarding the bank bailouts. However, on the whole I think he has done pretty well and without a better choice that's where I'm leaning.

As an aside my vote for president doesn't mean squat: I live in reliably blue New York.

This is important:

People really need to focus more attention on the lower level races. State government elections and Congressional elections are actually much more important than the Presidential one in a lot of ways. They are often much closer and your vote will carry more weight...plus they while the President or Governor may lay out policy proposals, the legislators write the bills that become law. State laws are often the templates for national laws. Just keep that in mind when voting tomorrow.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Nov 5, 2012 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

"3. Various news organizations have pointed out in recent weeks that the vast majority of the world want Obama to win; this includes most countries in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East (minus Isreal..which I couldn't give to shits about at this point). They favor the stability and pragmatism Obama brings as opposed to the unknown with Romney. Maintaining the confidence of the rest of the world is extremely important to world security and the world economy seeing as we are still the only superpower in the world."

Did it ever occur to you that other countries may want us weak. You can not worry about pleasing the rest of the world if you are going to lead. You can never please everyone.

This is true for either canadate

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Nov 5, 2012 5:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

sheeze Louise! I just scanned thru this for a good hour...VERY interesting (and I wasn't wearing my tin foil hat)

the Rothschilds and their banking/monetary world control.
Oh boy! I love a good conspiracy and this one's a doozy!

Make mental note, beware of Ashkenazi Jews...so anywho, check this out >>

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Nov 6, 2012 7:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

I am hoping you are joking. This is a highly offensive antisemitic conspiracy site.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 6, 2012 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

No matter who you want to win, I think we can all agree that the outcome shouldn't be decided by shenanigans that would make a mockery of our most sacred Democratic right...which is why we should all be concerned about this:


http://www.salon.com/2012/11/05/ohio_republicans_sneak_risky_software_onto_voting_machines


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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 6, 2012 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

I for one would attach more legitimacy to these kinds of articles if they had been written in March.

'Republican' and 'Democrat' are interchangeable in every single one of these "alarming" cases.

No one is so sanguine as to think that only Republicans would commit voter fraud. Except Democrats.

And vice versa.....

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 6, 2012 11:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

Mando,

I'm not saying Republicans are the only ones apt to commit fraud...simply that in this specific case in Ohio--which could decide the election--these last minute "experimental" software add-ons to the voting machines have been green-lighted by Ohio's REPUBLICAN Sec. of State in violation of state law which says a certified state board must approve any voting machine changes...clearly this has not been the case and it smacks of potential major trouble.

Read the whole article--the author states he's not alleging voter tampering--only that his and other reporters' inquires have gone un-answered and ignored by the state's GOP Sec. of State. One doesn't have to be a Democrat to ask WTF?????

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 6, 2012 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

Well, I'm afraid that because of issues like this one, regardless of who actually wins tonight, the ensuing blizzard of lawsuits will make the Hanging Chad debacle seem trivial.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 6, 2012 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

GC -

I hear you. I just find it fascinating that these are issues now. The timing of it begs the question of what is going on behind the curtain, who's pulling the strings and what master is being served.

Is the Ohio Sec State that much of an idiot that he/she wouldn't think that the timing of these software updates wouldn't fall under intense scrutiny? If the vote goes for Romney the left will howl. If the vote goes for Obama, the right will howl.

Maybe the law is specific to voting machine hardware only and doesn't apply to software and this is nothing other than what it is.

I'm an Occam's Razor kind of guy, but this one has me intrigued. I can spin theories in my head where it makes sense the both sides benefit from different outcomes. With any luck, Ohio's electoral college votes won't play into this debacle - but I think SDH is right. I don't think we are going to know who the next President is tomorrow morning.

Life will go on and we'll all be back though....

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 6, 2012 1:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

Oy....I don't think I can handle another debacle re: Florida 2000...I was going to stay up tonight at least to watch Daily Show b/c it's live at 11pm est, but I think I'm better off trying to sleep instead. I have a crazy early wake up time for work and I agree it's unlikely i'll be rewarded w/knowing who won just by staying up late.


"Though I could not caution all, I still might warn a few...don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools..."

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Nov 6, 2012 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

I still have trouble wrapping my head around what The Governors of Ohio and Florida (and their Secretaries of State) have done to limit voting hours this year. The lines for early voting this year, especially in Ohio, are often many hours long. Why don't they want people there voting?

Re: NDAA, drone killings, disappearing people, secret prisons... Once we started to torture people and condone it, the door was forever opened to accepting anything illegal in the USA you could imagine.

Re: The Federal Reserve... Bankers should be Federal Government Employees. They should be treated and paid like Air Traffic Controllers, for example.

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Nov 6, 2012 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: It's time to decide - move forward or fall back?

Actually it did occur to me that they may want us weak....until I listened to what they said and used some common sense. People in other countries may not like us but they recognize the need for a superpower to exist...and we are the only one left.

All the people I've seen interviewed on the matter from around the world (including journalists, business leaders, politicians, etc.) specifically said they want U.S. to continue to be a superpower and fear what will happen if we no longer are.

They see our economy growing faster than theirs and they know that their economies all depend on how well ours does. They want that growth, tepid as it may be, to continue.

They want us to continue to focus on international issues other than Israel and Iran. They don't want us to increase our military spending which would hurt our growth. China (who hold a ton of our debt and is a huge trading partner) doesn't want to negotiate with someone that is constantly calling them evil. Obama has been firm with (see substandard steel story from a few weeks ago) them but not running around talking shit every chance he gets. That's called diplomacy.

Like I said, I'm ok with Obama, I don't love him. The fact is Romney turns off much of the world and that is an important factor in my vote since this is a world economy.